1. While Scouting has celebrated our Centennial, we are still a relatively young movement. Over 20 centennials the Church itself has faced questions of inclusion, or as you say exclusion. People who all consider themselves Christians disagree over doctrine, method, membership. You may say the Presbyterians exclude the Baptists (or maybe they don’t in the UK, just an example). I would say each organization chooses their membership in their own way. And at the end of they day we’re all Christians.

    Substitute factions within Islam, Buddism, etc. As Scouts we all recognize God in our own way. A Scout is Reverent. A Scout is Clean. and A Scout is Obedient–seeking change in an orderly fashion when he doesn’t agree with the rules. Hopefully we stay respectful in that debate. As an individual, it’s really difficult to stay civil. I don’t agree with positions of UK Scouting, but I believe our common goals outweigh our doctrinal differences.

    (Yeah, I aim to stay civil by introducing religion into politics, right what am I thinking…)
    Yours in Scouting.

    • JC

      Thank you for your comment,

      Can I just ask what position of UK Scouting you don’t agree with.
      Its position on Human Rights, its position on equal opportunities for girls/women is position on sexual orientation and membership which the UK Chief Scout and Chief Executive made the other day (http://www.scouts.org.uk/newsandviews/module/31/663/sexual-orientation-should-not-be-a-bar-to-membership/cat/428)



      • Terminology belies one’s bias. Let’s take gender, as you suggest. The UK provides “equal opportunity” to boys and girls, in line with the long-term trend in education.

        However, by definition, the UK model is biased against young men who excel in a gender-free environment they do not experience at school. Where boys can be boys, along Baden-Powell’s original model of active learning. Research has shown that the current sit-n-be-quiet public school model (in the US anyway) is not very friendly for many boys. While equality of opportunity is essential, boys and girls are just different.

        Some call it exclusion. Others call it having standards. I’m not going to cry bias against mixed-gender youth organizations. But I’m not happy with people trying to force their values on MY organization.

        • JC

          I in part agree with your stand point read http://www.jabbering.co.uk/2012/02/nick-kiff-discuss-should-girl-guiding-uk-the-scout-association-merge/

          However the issue you chose is not really the controversial one that the post discussed. Girls in the BSA in my mind is a non issue a) you have Girl Scouts and b) the BSA allows girls in Explorer posts and Varsity anyway. So if a girl wishes to be part of the programme there is a way she can.

          You mention in your comments about having standards I am not sure how this a) links to girls in Scouting or b) to the Morally Straight post.

          We all want to set our standards as high as possible I agree. I would therefore suggest that living in a world of mutual respect and understanding of people would lead to a world where equality was given to all regardless of gender, race, creed or sexual orientation. To me this would be setting the standard as high a we could.

          In the UK the 7th Scout Law says – A Scout has self-respect and respect for others. In having that respect, I as a scout respect that everyone should be treated equally.


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